Transcript for December 2012

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>> So, we don't have everybody here, but the majority of people are here. And this is our plant for today. I'm going to use one or two minutes to give background about our trip. Then Karen will take over to talk about the student experience in China. Then students will join on to share their experience of duration, and their insights. Okay? Okay. Starting with, I'd like to review the background of our collaboration with partners in China. And in 2005 the former president of [inaudible] China. And some faculty members from our department were involved within the work. The charge of the group was to develop strategies on collaboration with travelling to China. And through pass group reports called for faculty members initiative, in terms of exploring collaboration opportunities with partners in China.

So, responding to that call, our department started working with our partners in China. I have a list of all the different organizations we worked with there. The providers in China that we have worked with since 2006. We have worked within the research area with the faculty members in China, providing training for rehab professionals in China and here at SVSU. We also involved our students on our trip to China. For example, in 2007 and Dr. Marg Owni [assumed spelling] and I brought a group of students to China and Hong Kong. And this year, Karen took a group of students to China. The focus of this group was the assistive technology. At the time Karen's students went to China I was there to do my research on career development. So, we met in China we had lots of activities, we talked to many people from rehab field, and exchange with students and also have lots of contact [inaudible]. So, I will end here and Karen will take over.

>> Okay, so here we are. There were 10 of us in all including 4 alumni, and the rest current students, both from our post-secondary program and from our technical program. But everybody who had interest in either rehabilitation and or technology. So, we put in quite a few experiences so that we would meet everybody needs and interests. And you see everybody standing there like this with their fingers up in the V sign. We saw that everywhere we went. It was just kind of a normal greeting and wherever we went people took pictures and whenever you took a picture, everybody did this. And so, we adapted quickly. And I'm sure we'll hear about some other examples of some of the fun pictures that would happen where people on the street would just come up and ask to take a picture with us. And so, they would come up and put their arms around us and then have their friends take pictures with us. Of the funny looking people from California [laugther]. Okay, so next slide. So, just to give you a picture of where we were in China. We flew from San Diego to San Francisco and into Beijing. So, Beijing is up here toward the north part, but still close to the coast. Most of the population in China is along the beach coast. And so, we started in Beijing, we did several days of sightseeing, because we got there on a weekend, so that we could king of acclimate and saw everything you're supposed to see in 48 hours in Beijing. From the Great Wall to the market, to all the cultural spots that you're supposed to see and we saw them in record time.

Okay, about 45 minutes. Go in look at it come back. We had our own little guide that you know all of us got out of the van and he soon learned that corralling a group of 10 women to do what he wanted us to do was not quite as easy as he thought. So, and then we spent several more days in Beijing going to rehab centers and AT centers. We'll talk a little bit more about that people will give us some detail. And then from there we flew down to [inaudible] which is pretty far. That was several hours flight, 2.5 hours, so we flew to Xiamen which is on the coast and that's where we met up with Nan. Beautiful place. It's very San Diego like. Totally different than Beijing. Beijing you're there running around with 20 million of your closest friends. And you do become close to people. It's normal. You're there, every place you go, it's completely filled with people. And every road you're on is completely filled with cars. And then the magnitude of the number of people, cars, buildings, bicycles, trucks, jeeps, all sorts of little different kinds of vehicles, it's absolutely, you can't even talk about what it's like. It's so amazing to be there and have that many people. And so, when you're walking down the street and you're constantly bumping into people and you know all of us our normal reaction is sorry, excuse me, excuse me. Well, we got over that really quickly because it's just normal. I mean you're not being rude, or them being rude to you it's just there's so many people per square inch.

So, it's definitely a very different mindset in how you, you know try to acclimate to that. And I thought we all acclimated very really well to that. So, then we got to Xiamen, and there were palm trees, and there's space to move, and it's much more relaxed. And we all sort of felt like, oh, okay this is more like home. And you know we go down and see places that look sort of, you know by the water, look sort of like San Diego, except for you know everything is very different. So, that was really exciting, we got to meet a bunch of students. Nan got together a whole group of students at the university where she was based, at Xiamen University. So, they got to meet our students. And that was wonderful. There was such a wonderful exchange, I'm sure that the students will talk about that. And then our last stop was Hong Kong and that's a pretty quick flight from Xiamen to Hong Kong, and we ended up the trip in Hong Kong. So, overall we had 12 days of travelling and sightseeing and going to a whole bunch of programs, rehab centers, AT centers, universities, colleges. And we really fit an amazing amount in in 12 days. That's part of the next slide.

>> It's your slide if you can just [laughter].

>> Is it on there?

>> You might be able to use the arrow key.

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>> Thank you. Yeah, so we learned that you have to be very flexible. So, just so you know what we set out to do. When we applied for the travel grant for [inaudible] to set up these whole trips, we do have objectives in mind. And so, the four objectives that we had in mind when we made this proposal was that students would gain an understanding of the assistive technology services offered in China and Hong Kong, and looking at similarities and differences. And we talked a lot about that. Students will learn about Chinese culture and [inaudible] technology and the process. We got to see lots of examples of that and got to talk to people about the examples and what people are doing. Students will propose ideas for improving rehabilitation and assistive technology systems based on their observations at various sites. And students will meet peers in the rehabilitation community in China and Hong Kong, building a foundation for possible future partnerships and exchanges. And this, by the way is just one of the statues that we saw at the Big Buddha, when we went to see the Big Buddha in Hong Kong, actually there's pictures of the Big Buddha. Amazing experience. It was so, Buddha, when you talk about a big Buddha, [laughter].

And so, we got to spend a little bit of time there. So, I just pulled out, when we came back I asked all, I mean we had obviously, lots of discussions over there and when we came back I asked the students to all write reflections and gave them, you know several prompts on questions to respond to. And I wanted them to do it while it was still somewhat fresh. And so, I got all of them, probably within six weeks from the time that we returned. And everybody was great about getting their reflections back. And it was so interesting to read all the different reflections. And I just included just a couple little comments in here to get a little bit of the feeling of that. I'm sure the students will all fill you in on a lot more. And the plan is we put in a proposal for the NCRE Conference in the spring, which is National Council on Rehabilitation Education. We put in a proposal to be able to present the information and we're planning on submitting an article with it too. So, you know even though students didn't get academic credit for this trip, I think it's important to see the kinds of things that can come out of it, even though students don't sign up for actual academic credit. And also, many of the students applied for funding. And how many of you got funding? I think like four or five people got funding from the university to help with travel expenses. So, this one is, this is from a place in Xiamen, this is one of the temples we went to that had the, oh wait a minute this is the, this is right by the water. Yeah, and then the temple had, these were famous characters, medieval characters. There was a female and a male.

>> The female one is the god of the sea. She supposedly is to protect people fishing. And then, on the left, he used to be a doctor, a Chinese doctor, then after he passed away, people made him a god because he saved so many people's lives.

>> And so this is a little shrine that we found on the side of the road and we went in and those people there, we just walked around, and so one of the comments is I find that China is functioning somewhere between communism, socialism, and capitalism. They call it socialism with Chinese features. They talked a lot about that. People had also read different books about China. So, it was interesting, you know people came in and you know those are the, came in with different ideas and what they expected and how their expectations were a little bit different maybe than what they thought they would be. This is at one of the rehab centers when we were meeting with some of the folks from the Chinese Disabled Persons' Federation. Meeting with rehab professionals, people with disabilities and fieldwork observations, through site visits at various rehab centers, assistive technology centers and employment agencies for people with disabilities was an invaluable experience that allowed us to deepened our understanding of the collective Chinese culture and the needs felt in regards to people with disabilities.

And that was a really interesting thing that we explored a lot. What really were the attitudes, what was the stigma involved in seeing people with disabilities. Die you see people with disabilities out and about, you see a lot of these, the technology that we would see in a center, that you would actually see in a community. There were a lot of discussion about that and we also got to meet with some students from the [inaudible] College in Beijing and students who were either deaf or blind, or had some vision loss, or some hearing loss. And so, that was an area of discussion as well. And then the last one, these were some of the students at the special ed college. And this is one of the lunches. The type of lunch, the food was, there would always be enough food for you know 20 or 30 people whether there were 10 of us of 20 of us. I was impressed with the approaches that China and Hong Kong were taking including evidence-based, community-based and development of assistive technology. At every facility that we visited and university campus that we had meetings, I was taken back by the hospitality and kindness that the people provided us. And everybody was so gracious, so welcoming. Really took care of us and wanted to make sure that we were having a good trip. Yeah, and then here's a few more shots.

This trip came with many assumptions, and we placed them with new questions of interest and the culture based in balance and respect. And I'll let students talk about some of those impacts. And we have our Nancy here with her traditional Chinese garb that she got to try on. This is at a library. These are all braille books in Chinese. One of the many little vehicles. There's a little dog sticking out of here. There's a vehicle. This is so great. And this is one of the women from one of the village, probably like a mountain tribe, that villages that come in. There are people from all of China that come to these works just that we were [inaudible]. Okay, so there's kind of the big picture. And now, Lisa has put together, everybody sent Lisa some of their favorite photos, right, and you put them together, and so now we get to hear the story from all.

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>> So, I put together just a quick little day by day. And I'm hoping that my friend who are over here will jump in with some, just some comments about what we did during that day, or what stuck out in that day. So, we left on March 22, and boy this was, here's a picture of coming into the airport here. And boy the first thing we wanted was our beds, I'm telling you. We were like zombies when we got off the plane. And we had, I can't remember what our guides name was? John. He was just scooting us along and we were just the walking dead, you know and so. Then we had a beautiful room at the Sheraton, and we pretty much started our first day. So, our first day we went to Tiananmen Square in the city and the former palace. And so, here we are freezing. It was about 8:30 in the morning, 9 o'clock and we all had, it had snowed two days previously, so it's about 34 degrees. And so, we're pretty cold. But happy. And definitely had some sleep and some great food. This is the building where they house the great leader and his body and these people are all lined up to go and view him.

We thought that was quite interesting that there was such a, as you can see there's quite a crowd wrapped all the way around the building and so here's the main area of Tiananmen Square. Anybody? It's kind of crazy to think that his body comes up when the sun comes up and it goes down when the sun goes down. And there's a line like that the entire time, yeah. And so, this is a big flag pole and I just thought it was interesting, with two guards on either side are actually standing behind bullet proof glass and they have to stand there for, what did John say like 6 hours or something? Four or six hours for their guard duty. So, then after that we walked across the street, and this is the entrance into the Forbidden City. And just the beautiful detail on the buildings. Can you imagine? We don't even know when people go in there and do this kind of work, but it's just amazing to see the crowds. It was just really, really crowded. So, from there we went to the [inaudible] Palace. And you can see it is cold because there's till ice on the water there. And just a beautiful old bridge. Here's a picture of the [inaudible].

Do you guys have any? I just loved the [inaudible] Palace but John really kept us moving, so we didn't really get to see we just kind of walked along like ants. Because there were so many people that we just, I mean it was just single file, walk along the edge of the lake. So, you can see the walkway right here, so it's just like single file people walking along. And it's not really a walkway, it's just like one person wide. And there's people trying to get around you. So, here's our first dinner, we went to Hot Pot I don't know. Everybody comments about the Hot Pot. We had a consensus that we all kind of had a thumbs down on the Hot Pot. So yeah.

>> I mean I kept trying to get like [inaudible]. I think the problem was that we needed more places to cook it. It wasn't the food it was the process. And we were very hungry. And with the Hot Pot a you take the uncooked food, you put it into the hot boiling water. And then you wait, and you wait and then you pull it back up and eat it. And we were pulling it up too soon, put it in wrong.

>> Or you leave it in too much it's like leather.

>> So, and we were hungry and we just wanted to sit down and eat. So, you've got all this great food in front of you, but you're not going to eat it just yet.

>> Their food comes uncooked inside the pot later on they think that everyone got together and [inaudible].

>> Of course those of us that didn't eat meat got the better deal with that, we got our own individuals hot pots.

>> So, then right here we get to the Great Wall, the Jade Factory, and the Temple of Heaven. And here, driving in, part of the great wall. And here is the section that many of us walked. Lisa and I walked, yes, yeah. And the steps are very uneven. And some steps are about this much, and some are this much, and this much. And I, oh boy. I had a wool coat on and half way up it was off and, but it was great. I mean it really was. I think it was more challenging coming down than it was going up.

>> And some of those stairs are really narrow and some are wider and people are always trying to pass you even though you're all going about the same speed, but people are going to go around.

>> And I took a picture of [laughter].

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>> Yeah?

>> The entire way up I was holding the rail [laughter]. Pass me or go around, she's like no let them go. And after that we stopped at the jade factory. And this is a government run jade factory. And here is a gentleman who's carving the jade and it's one of those nesting balls, that is a ball within a ball, within a ball. So, that was very interesting, if anybody would like to see I bought some jade there and I'm wearing it today, so if you want to see it you can come get a close look. This is one of the pieces that they carved. I mean I couldn't even get it all into the picture because it was so huge. But what was really cool is that they carve those links already linked together. It's just one long, it's one continuous piece of jade.

>> This is huge.

>> It was huge, this is probably like a quarter of it.

>> Yeah, it's just craved from the whole jade stone, not like pieces assembled together.

>> Right.

>> It's carved one stones [inaudible].

>> So, now I have [inaudible] and we saw the Olympic venue area, walked around there. We all had our first street cart vendor. We had pineapple. We were told by John that the pineapple was safe but not to have the snake. So is the Temple of Heaven. Just a beautiful building. Unfortunately, you can walk up and look inside of it, but you can't go inside of it. In the museum next-door they have a mini model so you can see what it looks like inside. So, you just go right on in there and they just show you. This is the park around there where these people were doing different activities and just seeing so many different people doing different activities. And then we had lunch there. Which was much better than the Hot Pot. So, it kind of made up for the eating the night before. But they served them on the duck fishes, which I thought was very cool. And John go very angry with me because I was not eating the duck properly. I had to have it with the bread, with the vegetable, like a little taco, and sauce and so. Since I've gotten back I've gone all around [Inaudible]. Things I found very, very close so I've been back there several times .

And so, on our third day we were at the Beijing University and China's Disabled Persons' federation. And so, this is what the Beijing University looks like on the outside, and I just thought it was interesting this is their yeah. Well, it has it in English, which is kind of cool. I thought that was kind of neat. Here are some of the students that we spoke to, and like we had a question and answer session and one of the guys asked what you know blind people do in the United States and our response was anything they want. So, and he was blown away that you know that people here have so many more options than they do there.

>> And the person on the left in the front is the sign language interpreter. So, this is when we were meeting with the students with hearing impairments and visual impairments and it was interesting that the majority of our discussions was not being interpreted. She was there and she would interpret a few things, but nothing like here where we expect that there's an interpreter in the room, everything that's being said is going to be interpreted so that the deaf students could hear. So, there was some interesting, you know, differences there.

>> Oh, yeah. And then here's a shot from our meeting with the China's Disabled Persons' Federation person. And we met some very nice people and heard a lot about you know how things run from the backside for people with disabilities. And we were able to ask questions.

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>> The young woman sitting, the center one, she's deaf. And she's one of the leaders of [inaudible]. And a lot of the meetings that we had in Beijing, often we didn't have people who spoke English and so Lee ended up being our interpreter, our translator and did an amazing job, you know trying to translate, especially with professional lingo and trying to make comparisons without really knowing, I mean knowing that the systems are so different. So, sometimes it's hard to find that language that crosses over. So, it was really great by the time we got to Xiamen where everybody could speak English to their Chinese student counterpart.

>> Karen? I was just curious you were saying that the signs were in English and Chinese, are there are a lot of English signs? Or a lot of interaction between, did you ask in China in relationship to?

>> The question is, is there a lot of interaction between America and China around disability issues? There's some, it's growing, I mean I think you know the work that we've been doing there for the last nine years, nine or ten years. You know I mean obviously, Nan's been doing it longer as an institute for the last nine or ten years. And there are other partnerships with other universities. And all the students in the university, they take English, they're required to take English classes. And so many Chinese students study English. They're not always, they're probably better at reading and writing than they are at speaking. Although people will come up and want to practice their English with you. I mean literally stop you on the street and want to talk because they don't get to practice it.

>> Thank you.

>> So, here's the, here's where they actually, we went the next day, I'm sorry I don't know where that page came from. So, covering everything, the next day we went to our prosthetic and orthotic college and this was one of their, this is where they actually make the prosthesis, the students do. And here's the finished product once they're done. And oh, boy did it smell in that place boy, we were like quick look in and then whoa we were out. And it's amazing, they weren't wearing any kind of protective gear. No face mask.

>> A couple were. But almost nobody.

>> Yeah. No, I didn't really see any of the goggles either did you guys see goggles? I didn't see anybody wearing goggles either. So. Yeah. So, that's the finished product. And then we moved on and we went to the assistive technology center. And I just thought it was interesting how advanced, having a sign about cochlear implants they had up on the wall there that I just thought it was really, really interesting, and so I took a picture. But they had many different AT devices here at the center that we visited.

>> And this is brand new. This is new since the last time Nan and I went there.

>> So, they had a lot of adaptive technology there. Combs, brushes. This was the one that was the most important to us. Yeah, we really wanted to get this for our chopsticks. So. I don't know I pushed away the fork and I kept trying to use the chopsticks, so. By the time I got home, I was using chopsticks, but have lost it completely [laughter]. Kind of like language, you don't use it you lose it. And then another he was demonstrating a chair for mobility up and down stairs. This was a very interesting place. There's [inaudible] foot, she's popping a balloon. The students, I guess the child being assessed would use the device there and moves around a computer program and it's interactive and they step on the balloon and it tests the child's mobility. I thought it was pretty interesting. So, after that, we were going to the AT lab. Okay this is before we leave Beijing. Yeah, I found that Beijing was like amazing, it was great. But we didn't see any of this stuff out on the street. None at all. You barely even saw people with disabilities. The only types of disabilities I saw were outside of the big, the Forbidden Temple, or the church. And these people were usually missing limbs or disfigured. And they weren't on any of these adaptive technologies, they were all on [inaudible]. Very kind of dirtily just kind of sat there with cans or buckets. So, I didn't see any of these. Although in theory this is great, but getting it out in public.

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Well, we have had you know the people that needed it and they said it was through private place, but a lot of people were not accessible yet.

>> Where we toured was basically like a show room. It wasn't something where if you had a disability you actually come in to get fitted for it or anything, it was just to show what options could be potentially available. And that was primarily for professional development. You know could families come in and actually see the equipment and try it out and that really isn't happening. I think it probably will, but at this point they're actually just using that more for professional training.

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>> The question is about do they have an [inaudible] just like what we have in the United States. To address that question I think we need to think about the difference in terms of systems. We have a lots of coverage here in terms of provide free support of the peoples with disabilities like educational support, or growing support. That's something [inaudible] in China based on my understanding. For example, for assistive technology, we do have a lot of money saved up for individuals, for learning to get a job. Lack of lack of money is based on companies buying, they have an informative law that require companies, employers to hire a certain percentage of people with disabilities. For example, for one company employees, government, they need to hire at least 1.5% of people with disabilities. I don't know how [inaudible]. But that was on paper. If the company does not do that, they pay certain amount of money to this foundation which is managed by China Disabled Persons' Foundation. Then they use that amount of money, I don't know how much in terms of percentage to provide like AT support. And then if they're going to get a job, they will pay certain amount of money. But to my knowledge.

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To my knowledge, it's not enough, but there's something there to start doing this type assistive support.

>> So, we boarded the plane the next day and we arrived in Xiamen. We arrived later on in the afternoon. So, we pretty much had the afternoon free, but Nan had arranged for us to meet several of the Xiamen University students. And I don't know about you guys, but I had a blast hanging out with them. They were so much fun. They took us to this little tiny place for a bowl of noodles, it was so good. So spicy and spicy was like our word the entire trip, we wanted spicy. Blah, lots of blah. So, we had a great shopping experience and they close down the whole road. There's this road that goes through there, but nobody drives through and this is where you do all the shopping. It's just one long continuous road of just shop after shop, after shop.

>> And there were several at least two Wal-Marts that we saw within that strip.

>> Yeah, Wal-Mart.

>> Yeah, and like a three-story Wal-Mart.

>> And then, I took a pretty nice picture in the evening time out our hotel window.

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>> Because you can get it there.

>> Well, it was just such a beautiful little town to their standards. And so this is the view from the island, looking across, and this is pretty much their concentrated area of like high rise. So, it's very comparable to you know San Diego. So, day six we visited the Xiamen Disabled Persons' Federation and then we did an island tour. And this is just this really beautiful statue was there at the [inaudible]. Karen sent me a picture and it was just beautiful and we just loved that statue. I didn't take a lot of pictures inside because you know we couldn't take pictures of like the kids or the students there. But this is the kindergarten, yeah?

>> Can you go back to the picture?

>> Sure. Oh boy.

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But we did get a tour of the kindergarten. And then we took the ferry, this isn't our ferry, we took a picture of the really cool ferry that was next to our ferry [laughter]. This beautiful picture [inaudible] just a beautiful boat and just taking the ferry over to the island. And Paris took this picture of how crowded it was on the ferry, but we loved the baby.

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>> That's upstairs or downstairs?

>> I think that was downstairs, where you go out.

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You have to, I mean we just all went in that and so if you were trying to let somebody else on forget it, you would have been standing there all day. So, we kind of learned to kind of [inaudible].

>> [Inaudible] in 103 to give us all the experience.

>> There you go

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A place in here that you know what it's like. So, we definitely walked all the way around the island and then this is the, you know kind of the typical picture that you see in China of the boats, and I thought this was appropriate with the beach and stuff. And this island had no cars, it was all a walking island. So, here's the beach with everybody hanging out and I mean it was about 70 degrees I would say.

>> Everybody was fully covered. You didn't see anybody like running around in bathing suits or anything.

>> Some of the students volunteered because you know everybody couldn't carry an umbrella because to protect from sunshine.

>> Yes.

>> And as we were walking around the island, they had these small little Buddha temples and they had just these beautiful chairs outside. And here's a picture of the chairs, they're just really, really pretty. And oh, there I am with one of the students her name was, is that Shalae [assumed spelling]? She's a major in English. So, she speaks English. [inaudible]. So, the next day, day seven we're off to Xiamen University. And we're going to meet with the people from the social work department and we had a city tour. So, here's the sign coming in. There's Pauline, that library behind her and just the beautiful lake around the area there. There's the gate going in and we're lining up to get ready to go in [laughter]. And then you know again, I thought it was interesting that they had it both in Chinese and English, so.

>> This is where all the students are required to speak English.

>> And then this is around the lake here, Natasha and Pauline. And they did have just a beautiful campus right there where you could walk along and people are just sitting around the lake there. And then here's one of the temples that we visited, I think this is the oldest one. Yeah. yeah. And then this was the temple that was inside the temple. And this is where the monks were but we weren't allowed to visit. I went up to go take a picture and someone tried to cover my camera. So, that was as close as I got. And here's a circle of the other students that we met with, Noah and Margaret. And then the student somewhere in social work, English. And so, then we hopped the plane and then we were off to Hong Kong. And we had a free day there as well. These out of our hotel there, the [inaudible] Hotel and just some of the just magnificent buildings and iron man outside the coffee center. And we did have pretty much a free day and most of us just grabbed something to eat. Just kind of walked around. I don't know what everybody did. Sharon and I, everybody was like we're in Hong Kong Facebook. You know so I mean it's like I think everybody spent the whole rest of the day posting things on Facebook.

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As we moved from you know from coffeehouse to coffeehouse because you only get like 15 minutes or 30 minutes depending on the place, of free internet. So, you basically, you get like 15 minutes, you quick type your stuff on Facebook and you pack up and you move to the next coffee shop and then you log in there and then you get 15 free minutes. Yeah at the park you can go and you can get free as long as you wanted but. But yeah we were excited. We could not post on our Facebook. We did not have access to Facebook and internet was very, very limited on what you could browse and look at so we were pretty excited to get to Hong Kong because we could finally reach out to the outside world and let people know where we were and what we were doing. Because they call it the great firewall China. There's no Facebook, there's no YouTube and there's another Twitter, yeah. They have pretty. So, social media is definitely very, very. They have their own version of Facebook. So, the next day we went to the Po Lin Monastery which is the Big Buddha.

We got some gorgeous, well first we had to take the subway and we loved it I mean it was so clean and people were nice and this was actually not crowded, this is the not crowded picture. And if you notice everybody is looking at their phones. Yeah everybody's walking around with their phones. Here's the view from the very top. We had to take a really fun bus trip it was so very [laughter]. I swear to God I was getting like seasick and they were like literally [inaudible] and this huge, like huge bus and [laughter]. And the bus broke down. And we had to go, you know literally you're up in nowhere. So, it's not like you can just walk the rest of the way.

>> You know we had no idea where we were and how much further it was and we still. We were glad we waited for the second bus you know. We were like well we could walk, and then we're like no, it's so far. Like he looked so close to use because he's so huge and then it's kind of like [inaudible].

>> And so, here is the Big Buddha and you can see how big it is everybody talking up to the steps. I checked out the feng shui and there were 16 steps of 12 stairs. And another side view. Karen took this beautiful shot. And.

>> I think we all took a million pictures of the Big Buddha.

>> I know.

>> It's such an inspiring place I mean you go there and you just have feeling, I mean it's hard to even describe, but it was just a very tangible feeling of being there.

>> I'm wonder if my video will work. I'm hoping it might work. I was having trouble last night loading videos. But I put it over here, it's very, very tiny on the side. I'm hoping it will work. Let's see.

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So, I tried so hard to get it to not load it sideways. It was just so peaceful up there and so come by my office if you want to see.

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And this, I just love this beautiful door that was underneath the Buddha and they open it at special times of years. Just I thought it was beautiful and yeah, the biggest incense burner ever and everywhere and it was so, you could feel the heat coming off of it, just heat and then everybody, I mean by the time I got to the hotel I still smelled like incense. Because it was just smoke and.

>> And these are burnt so they were twice this size before you burn them.

>> Some of them were two handers that were about this long and they had a special holder for you to put the two hander in, but I wasn't going for the two hander. And then here's the older monetary and on the left, they were building some new dormitories. And then, the next day we were going to go to the take the train, but we ended up having a free day. But it was a holiday, a holiday. So [inaudible]. And so, it's just a quaint little village it's not far from the Big Buddha. So, it's just a little fishing village, it really gives you a feel of being away from the big city and the small-town life. The small village life. This fresh leg [inaudible] egg, food just you know from vendors from the side of the road, you know small little marketplaces where you could buy stuff. And we had some great food there in a little tiny place, it was great. And then we went up to the overlook for a view of Hong Kong. I guess at 8 o'clock each night they do a show where all these buildings have animated building lights and so they flash and it's really cool and they have [inaudible]. We don't' want to talk about the journey to the top of the overlook, yeah. Once we got the ferry over there, there wasn't' very clear on how to get up there. So, we knew we had to take the bus so [inaudible] yeah. That was so crowded that we choose to take the bus back. And it was like a two-hour wait. And then the 11th we went to Poly Tech University and I just thought this was great, it's a benefit telling you that you can take an adventure on the sun, high adventure on the sun, I just love that.

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Just, and we, all of us noticed some of the real funny signs that they had all around. So, here is the sign going into the Poly Tech Engineering Clinic and here is some of the pieces that they make there and then they gave us quite a nice tour of the facility and talked about one of the things I thought was interesting, about how they have no qualms about reverse engineering things and going out and finding things globally and then bringing them back to China and then reverse engineering them. See, I tried, it keeps putting it on the side and I can't seem to figure out how to make sure to show it straight up, but, oh the challenges of new programs. Choose and.

>> That's different devices that they've made. But they do a lot of research there and the work that they're doing at the engineering center there is very equivalent to the things that we see here in the states. So, it's very different approaches and they're doing a lot of training with people in China as well. So, the place we had gone in [inaudible] Technology Center there were doing a lot of collaboration with Hong Kong. Same thing coming back, you know. Well actually they didn't meet us all the way coming back either because we were running late. So, it's kind of like this no man's land in between it was really interesting.

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>> So, we had quite a walk to the New Life Center and it was actually quite humid and warm that day and we were quite sweaty when we got to the New Life Center, but this is one of the areas that we walked through on our way. And I don't know why I didn't get any pictures of the New Life Center from anyone. And my camera, yeah my camera was, yeah I had no more pictures at that point, so I didn't have any pictures of the New Life Center, so we have to add lots of interesting conversation about the New Life Center. I loved it, it was really great, I loved seeing people with mental disabilities just you know working on whatever they wanted to work on, if they wanted to work on making cards or whatever, whatever they felt like, whether they wanted to just go upstairs and sit and have a cup of tea, or whatever, you know it was just really great that people with such severe mental disabilities have such freedom and security I really thought. I mean when you think about people with mental disabilities and you know they can't get help and they end up living out on the street. These people, they won't live out on the street, and I found comfort in that, I thought that was very comforting. They also wrap up, the café at the Hong Kong University, I believe correct me if I'm wrong have [inaudible] they have people working the [inaudible] at the café that we were served by people with disabilities. And then from there the theater, and it all went back to how the [inaudible] so, very innovative, to me at least, I don't think we have anything close to that here. And the people that live there talking to everyone [inaudible] their life style.

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So, with New Life I asked well what's the objective the goal and the objectives, and they're like no not really, they stay here as long as they want and we have someone who has a mental disability working in the kitchen with a knife. Would that happen in the US? More than likely not. You know so it's very proactive over there, it seems there's a lot of culture like guidance over there. The people want to help these individuals. They're not being pushed you know, if you don't feel good today you don't have to do it. Where like over here we're like [inaudible] on their own.

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Food that makes you happy. So, there's the café, the farm fresh, all the organic and healthy bakeries. They do the eco tour. They have the whole organic farm. So, it's, they have the coffee shop. So, it's a lot of social enterprise and they're really trying to get people to be productive, to give back. And they're starting, because of the success of the approaches that they were getting at New Life, they're getting a lot more interest in partnering with corporations. So, they're getting a lot of buy-in from the businesses in Hong Kong to really get hiring people. And so, that's been relatively new, particularly for that population.

>> And when you go to Asian restaurants and you see the big food displays. Well these individuals are making that from you know from hand or clay. And so, articulate and like very detail oriented. And it was really neat to see that, you know you see, so, yeah.

>> Yeah they give you little samples.

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>> Yeah, shopping was a theme.

>> And some of us actually had extra bags coming back.

>> Yeah, coming back was interesting, we're all like sharing with each other. Trying to put stuff in each other bags so that all our bags even out.

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>> I spent a lot of money.

>> There's a range, yeah.

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>> No you just go to like any banker or.

>> No they had like their ATMs. You could get local money out of the ATM using your credit card, and the ATM give the money out.

>> Getting money is no problem.

>> The hotels most of them offered meal, breakfast.

>> But they don't like [inaudible] money of bench money.

>> You have to transfer.

>> Yeah. Yeah. I spent maybe $100 the entire trip [laughter].

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And we have some students who just came in for an [inaudible]. So, they may have their application Laura.

>> Yeah, both of those funding sources are still available correct?

>> They're still available. I think the dead line for associated students is early in February. But I guess what I don't know is if you will find out in time, when is the [inaudible]?

>> Not until the end of the semester. So, it's probably going to be end of May.

>> So, I would say associated students would get, I would encourage you to apply, associated students.

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>> No, it was just more like what I gained from it.

>> So you didn't have to say you were getting [inaudible] credit. Because they do say on the application priority. So, you know if it's related to the course, why not say that, you know and advise them, it's not a requirement for the course, but I especially know that [inaudible] kind of research or project, or the content of the course [inaudible] is related to multi-cultural education or understanding. You could say [inaudible] it's just I just need [inaudible] not true, but I do see priority given to those students who are taking course credit, or are part of the you know part of the course.

>> There are colleges that are now requiring international experiences. Our college is sort of moving toward that, but we're taking a little bit broader definition of the international experience because we think that it could be defined [inaudible] and so we don't want to get counted out because we don't have this absolute requirement, but we obviously encourage it and have supported international collaborations for many, many years.

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>> Now i just want to use the word cultural diversity in how I would [inaudible] peer. So that was kind of the logic.

>> And then for the research grant one, I'm not sure if that one was still open. I can check and see when the deadlines are, I thought it was October, but I don't know if they have two rounds for that but I can find out. I'll check and see.

>> For that one you would have to say it's part of a research project. That's from the graduate studies and you know [inaudible] project, or a project that you're doing. So, it's the same thing as cultural experiences and [inaudible] development as [inaudible] graduate research.

>> And the proposal does not have to be?

>> No.

>> We're short and we did have students who did it, and so if any of you are interested in,, and that is still an option Nan and I can help you to either craft not craft, but [laughter].

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>> Revise your proposal, make it practical and that will come back to write a short summary. So, it's not like a term paper, it's not much more, in terms of it's not that much, but the money is good.

>> Every little bit helps.

>> We know that that's always an issue. Any other questions before we wrap up and we're going to move into another session talking about the trip to Europe. So, you can talk later, but anybody who does need to leave who has any other questions?

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>> It was awesome. I want to live there.

>> He got a job offer.

>> Yeah, she was actually, I think he did have a couple job offers, did you?

>> He got a job offer on the bus [laughter].

>> Tell them your experience [inaudible].

>> If you really want to go the cheap route.

>> That was great.

>> I bought my own [inaudible] and made my own [inaudible].

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Well, everyone has a tea pot, so I just put hot water in there.

>> And he kept it in the ice cooler, because I went to get ice.

>> No, that was [inaudible].

>> As I said, students were very responsible. So, you could, I mean you really could do it with you know paying the minimum and if you didn't want to buy a bunch of stuff to bring back, I mean it's still very doable. I mean some folks didn't spend a lot and other people spent a little more. I'm not saying any names [laughter].

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>> And everybody tried to learn at least a little bit of language. You know we tried to pick up phrases, and I think you know it showed our effort. Because it's such a difficult language for most of us. And you don't think about you know it's also very difficult for people who are Chinese to learn English and so the fact that we were making an effort, you know just helped with that communication

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Oh yeah, so you know we had talked earlier about you know we're going to put together, Nan and I already put in a proposal. We haven't heard, they haven't heard yet right? Okay we're going to hear in the next couple weeks if our proposal is accepted. If it is that means that we'll be putting together a presentation for [inaudible] so all of those, all of you who gave me requests which was everybody who went gave me reflections I've already gone through we've done some analysis of those to do kind of a content analysis of the things that came out of the reflections and we're going to do an article about that and you all have an opportunity to do that, if you do it, you have a chance to be a part of the presentation. So, hopefully it's going to get, you know it will either be a regular presentation or a [inaudible] we have no idea. WE put in for a regular presentation. So, [inaudible].

>> I'm done [inaudible].

>> So, it makes it a little bit easier for people to get there, you know it's not so far away, flights are pretty cheap out there. And that conference is in April, right after spring break I think. That's the week after spring break.

>> And for students trying to [inaudible] for free.

>> And you get to meet like all the professional and everything. It's a really good opportunity.

>> Yeah, you get to meet all the people that you read papers by and that you, you know [inaudible] real life people [laughter].

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Yeah, there's a lot of great connections you can make. Students from other programs, so it's really a great opportunity and a lot of students go. We all try to bring students from our different programs. Okay well thank you so much for coming. This was fun. It was fun to be able to relive a few of the.

>> There were a lot more stories I'll tell you.

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So, anybody who wants to stay for the second part, we're going to.

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